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Friday, March 7, 2008

Strictly Platonic

A lot of women ask this of themselves : can a woman have a strictly platonic relationship with a man? The popular definition of a platonic relationship, used in the modern context, is a relationship that is deep and meaningful, but also non-sexual (that is, not explicitly romantic). It can be relationships with the same or opposite gender, and does not exclude relatives. Never mind what the philosophical term platonic was actually coined for way back in the 15th century - it actually has something to do with love between an older man and a younger man; homosexuality (yes, do some research on it if you don't believe me!).

Going by the modern definition, I have had platonic relationships with all of my girlfriends, my brothers, and some of my close male relatives. But since I entered into a relationship with my boyfriend, many years ago, he has became my closest confidant, and a best friend. Now I am hesistant to make friends with males because I do not see how a platonic friendship with a male will benefit me. I think that one tends to share one's innermost thoughts and feelings with a spouse, boyfriend, or partner so as to have a deep and meaningful relationship. If someone is unable to do that with one's partner and looks for it elsewhere, then that person should not be with that partner in the first place.
But is that an insular way of thinking? Especially in this day and age?

After all, you cannot hope to see eye-to-eye with one's spouse on everything, nor share the same interests. Is is acceptable to pursue your interests outside of a relationship with a strictly platonic friend of an opposite gender when you cannot share them with your spouse or partner?

One friend says that it is impossible to be a strictly platonic friend with someone of an opposite gender. That at some point in the friendship, there would be complications - either spending too much time with the friend and causing problems with the spouse or partner, or sexual tension between the strictly platonic friend and herself. I suppose that would hold true if both individuals were attracted to each other. And the worry here is that it can become a possibility later on even if the intention in the beginning was merely to share a common interest. Afterall, sexual attraction is not only based on looks, and physicality, but also based on feelings. If two individuals spend a lot of time with each other on a common interest, and enjoy it, who is to say it will not progress to something else?

Another claims that it is acceptable so long you meet up in a mixed group, and not alone, when going out with a strictly platonic friend of the opposite gender. But with a mixed group, you are unable to establish a deep and meaningful friendship with a specific individual. Instead, you are establishing a friendship with a group, and most likely, it would be a superficial friendship based on some common pursuit - for example, fun group activities like movies, bowling, or eating out. How many of us are able to share our innermost thoughts with several individuals in a group setting? Not many, I think.

I try not to over-analyze things. I like my life to be uncomplicated. When I found a partner, I wanted that partner primarily (and not anyone else) to share my life, my feelings, and my thoughts.

He is unable to be a shopping partner, and he is not much of a nature lover, so for that, I turn to my girlfriends. They're much enjoyable to shop with, and hike with anyway! But for almost all other of my interests, he's still my best partner. Isn't that the way it should be?
Simply that.

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4 Comments:

Anonymous Bluebear said...

No such thing as a platonic relationship with non-relatives of opposite gender.

March 8, 2008 6:47 PM  
Anonymous Anonymous said...

We tend to ask for and give a lot more in our romantic relationships than we do in our platonic same gender relationships. The dynamic is totally different for the two. If you have a satisfying romantic relationship (in all senses from the physical to the emotional, spiritual and intellectual), why would there be a need fill the void with anyone else, especially from someone the opposite gender from yourself? I guess not everyone would be lucky enough to have a romantic relationship that satisfies all the senses.

March 11, 2008 8:12 PM  
Blogger LogicGirl said...

I wrote this email response for someone, and thought I'd post it here for the readers:

Life is not perfect, agreed. And it is unlikely that a couple would be able to have the same interests or share all of their interests together. In fact, it is unhealthy for couples to not have interests/activities that are separate from each other. Couples do need breathing space from each other - but not at the expense of the relationship. It will become clearer what I mean, as you read what I write below.

I think it is best not to complicate our lives unnecessarily by accepting a "third" party into the equation. Be it a third party male, or female; whoever it is that commands attention, interest, or love away from the relationship between husband and wife, that is not a good arrangement, for the long run.

Remember that in Naresh's blog, he talked about sharing his soul, his innermost thoughts, and his love for another woman, who is not his wife. The dynamic of this connection (admitedly only between two minds and no physical relationship) is still on a whole different level than the dynamic of him with his best male friend, or between myself and my best girlfriend.

I thought his feelings came across rather strong for someone who is just expressing a love for a "friend". I have best girlfriends, but I would never go so far as to suggest I share my soul with them - and I cannot comprehend doing so with anyone I would categorize as a "platonic friend".

I love my father, brothers - that's platonic love, but again I will not say I share my soul with them, even if I do share my thoughts and feelings with them.

My personal belief is that it is not acceptable (for me) to share one's innermost thoughts and feelings with another non-relative male who is not my spouse or life partner because the dynamic would be on a different level.

Let us assume, I lack something in my current relationship - I would just have to find another outlet where I can express myself. But I have clear boundaries as to what forms of communication and sharing I can and will do, and with whom. My principles are already formed - so there is no chance I will accept having a third party male become my confidant (unless I choose to, and if I choose that I am implicitly saying my current relationship is no longer working, so that I am looking elsewhere). Do you understand what I mean here about having one's boundaries?

I think the divorce rate in this country (US) is as it is - 50% - precisely because people do not take the trouble to make the boundaries distinct. I am not so sure I would want to be in such a difficult situation myself, which is why I have formed my boundaries, so as to exclude males from becoming close friends. They are my colleagues, my study partners, my friends, but nothing else. It's a conscious choice.

Infidelity is not only about the body or the physical act, it is also of the mind.

Is infidelity without a physical act? You decide. I think you know what I would say to that.

But in the end, everyone is entitled to their opinions - so let us just agree to disagree :)

What works for you may not work for me, and vice versa.

March 12, 2008 11:59 PM  
Blogger LogicGirl said...

More thoughts exchanged through email:

I do not believe that there are any two persons in this world who will agree on everything all the time, much less understand each other. But so long there is commonality for a framework to build a union between the two (for examples, values, morals, religious beliefs etc), it is possible to make a marriage or a relationship work between two very different individuals (eg, an artist and a scientist, or a homemaker and a professor etc). Good marriages and relationships do not happen by chance or luck - couples have to work at it.

The difference between sharing thoughts and sharing innermost thoughts (which I also take to mean soul) is simply this:

I share my thoughts on a variety of topics with most people, like I am doing right now through the Internet. I do that at work, at meetings, at social functions and in other group activities. It does not have to be superficial - it can be an intellectual sharing, it can be social fun sharing etc.

But my innermost thoughts or soul (that is, my dreams, aspirations, goals, disillisionments, or any other private thoughts that I would trust with another human) I choose to share with only a select few - my partner, my parents, my siblings or one or two of my best girlfriends. And even within this select group, I choose as to what sort of innermost thoughts I share. My partner tends to get the full version because of the nature of the relationship - ie honesty and communication between the couple is a must for it to be a good and successful relationship. My parents or siblings may not want to hear the full details (may be too troubling for them), so I share only what is needed. And so too with my girlfriends.

I hope that helps you understand better what I meant earlier.

Btw, if someone holds out on marriage or love, thinking that the next person, who comes along, may be the one to finally *truly* understand his/her "soul", then that person is only deluding themselves. One has to give in order to receive, cliched as that sounds, it means that one has to commit themselves to a relationship, in order for it blossom. It's all attitudinal, in the end, it's not magic.

March 14, 2008 1:54 PM  

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